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Inquisitor Kitchner
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Posted - 2012.11.01 13:04:00 -
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Just curious to see why there are people out there who post on here with a forum alt, as I genuinely don't know why you would want to hide who you are.
Does your alliance or corp not let you post on these forums? If so why are you with them?
Is it because you fear retribution (lol) for your opinions? Why do you think everyone dislikes your opinions?
Is it because you're a massive troll? If so, why are you Snot Shot/a GRRRR Goon?
This is a legit question, and definitely not a troll post or a rant. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 13:30:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:The question was answered in this thread
My thread is better though, because it didn't start with "I am Spartacus" quotes. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 13:42:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: I post on an alt because my main has infiltrated a null corp.
So I assume after you burn out/get caught/whatever you'll post with your main? "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 14:03:00 -
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For the record I, too, am not an alt. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 14:11:00 -
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Grumpymunky wrote:Me! I'm an alt! I had to log out my main and log in the monkey just so I could be the coolest alt in the alt thread! I mostly post with my main these days, but I'm never far away if the forum needs more monkeys! 
IMO best reason to post with an alt "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 14:44:00 -
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Natasha Liao wrote:We probably need you to define whatever your narrow definition of *Main* and *Alt* are. Is it highest SP 'Toon? My highest SP ATM gets logged in about 10 min max to check some orders and clicky-clicky some Farmville. Haven't even un-docked him for weeks. Oldest 'Toon? My oldest 'Toon got tossed on the Bio heap back in the beginning of '08. He was from back in the old days when your profession assigned your initial SP's. Noob + Zero Knowledge == Biomass yourself Noaw Character.  Are we going with 'Most Fun to Play'? Then this one. Less than 1mil SP's, *really* miss having lots of lvl4 and 5 skills ( I feel your pain Shiroh ) and yet this is some of the most fun I've had in Eve for years. I wish RL wasn't cutting into the time I can sit and play Eve ATM. I heard frigs calling to be blown up ( most likely mine... ) and I need to be in them. 
This is a legitimate question.
I'd say that if you had all your alts in one place, and you were told you can only be one of them forever and never have any more alts, the one you pick is your main.
You could say "It's the one you spend the most time on" however if I'm a spy I'm going to spend most the time on my spy alt rather than my "main".
Therefore I'd use the above test. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 15:31:00 -
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Reticle wrote:Dumb question.
I have a question for you: do you use out of corp scout alts? Why? Same reason of course. You want to fool your enemies. You don't want them to know who you are until the last possible moment before you destroy them.
No, I scout on my main.
Because the tactic you have mentioned is so predictable, anyone seeing a "neutral" in system in an NPC corp is going to be suspicious. Especially as that person will be all the way in null without any friends or help etc. So if you see someone hanging around you should be taking note of it anyway.
Spying is different, because it's hard not to get caught if I'm just like "hai guise, can i join ur corp?"
Personally I think that the argument of "of course they want to avoid retribution for being an ass" is a poor one. How about don't be an ass in the first place? Or at least, don't be an ass to anyone who can ruin your day? "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

Inquisitor Kitchner
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Posted - 2012.11.01 15:41:00 -
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slam34 wrote:I can rattle off at least a dozen legitimate reasons to post with an alt. Most have been covered here already. The real legitimate question is why on earth would anyone post with their main? Or make a big deal about it? Only one reason. EGO. There is the whole Ayn Rand thing, of course.
Because I don't mind standing by what I stay on here?
Anyone who disagrees with me is free to do so, anyone who agrees is also free to do so. Those people may dislike me, or even become a space friend, some may even try to kill me (in game only hopefully) due to those opinions.
Either way, I wouldn't post something unless I was going to stand by it. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 15:48:00 -
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slam34 wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:slam34 wrote:I can rattle off at least a dozen legitimate reasons to post with an alt. Most have been covered here already. The real legitimate question is why on earth would anyone post with their main? Or make a big deal about it? Only one reason. EGO. There is the whole Ayn Rand thing, of course. Because I don't mind standing by what I stay on here? Anyone who disagrees with me is free to do so, anyone who agrees is also free to do so. Those people may dislike me, or even become a space friend, some may even try to kill me (in game only hopefully) due to those opinions. Either way, I wouldn't post something unless I was going to stand by it. So you are agreeing with me then? Good.
No?
I don't get an ego boost from posting on the forums, funnily enough I like discussing things with people and coming to recognise people who post with their own opinions too. You know, to build a community? Even the people I don't like but post with their main characters I respect a lot more then any posting alt. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:01:00 -
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slam34 wrote: But you are proving my point. It is all about your self importance and the percieved worth of your personal opinion. Which is not necesarily a bad thing. Just strange to deny.
Simply being fine with being recognised as your own personal self with your own opinions and accepting the consequences of publicly stating those opinions I don't feel is egotistical, in fact I think it's essential to being a person at all.
I'm not hiding behind an alt personally because I don't feel I have to; my question is why do you think you'll be persecuted for your opinions if you don't post under an alt?
Maybe it's because your opinions are formed on flawed logic, and only you can't see it? Or maybe you don't believe in what you're saying enough to be associated with it anyway and damn the consequences?
Or maybe you're part of an alliance that bans you from posting, in which case why are you a part of it if it bans you from doing what you want?
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 17:05:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Ask your fearless Queen, he seems to have quite a few..... 
Queen Elizabeth II plays EVE Online: A Terrible Game?!?!?
Awesome! "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 17:07:00 -
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Natasha Liao wrote:
As for 'worth' of an Alts opinion: as I've said - an opinion/idea doesn't become any more or less relevant/interesting based on some arbitrary number of SP's, a born on date, or any corp membership. You might be surprised what this 10/8/2012 'Alt' could tell you about scanning for instance or living in a WH. Some of us just come here for to exchange ideas, info or a laugh or three. My impression of a few groups/individuals has changed over the years because of it ( both positive and negative ). It's also good to see things from somebody else's perspective on a nerf/buff/etc and see why it might be a good, bad or who cares idea. One persons 'Small Nerf' can actually be a 'Kinda Big Thing' to others.
Oh I agree that you shouldn't dismiss opinions due to age, SP or anything else. If I ever do it purely on that basis please feel free to call me out on it. I'd like to think I listen to peoples opinions and views and then respond based on what they've said, not the mouth it's come out of.
However, sometimes if I see someone posting something with an alt, you have to wonder why? I mean do they actually believe what they are saying? Doesn't mean I wouldn't agree with it, but it's like every alt saying "I'm a director of Goonswarm and and elite pvp god" (if goons have such a thing). If you posted on your main who was a goon pvp god doesn't mean i'd instantly believe what you say, but I think it does reassure people you have experience if that's your argument as to why people should listen to you. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 18:28:00 -
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Oaiso wrote:I not only post on an alt but I periodically replace them so that I will be 10x more untraceable 10x more like ninja.
Are you not worried that your opinions will be dismissed out of hand because no-one will know/believe what experience you have of EVE and that your opinions are based on experience and totally not made up? "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:04:00 -
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Smohq Anmirorz wrote:I am always entertained by this subject, although I have to agree with the succinct comment "search function. use it."
What is a main character? The one who's training? Do I need to switch the character I post on if I switch my main? Did you come here to read posts and have discussions or did you come here to determine if someone is an alt and try to undermine what they say with "post on your main". Maybe it was my main. Maybe it will be next week. Is there some reason you can't just read the post and consider the merits of it on its own? If I have multiple accounts, do I need to tell you who all the main characters are?
My "test" earlier was that if you were told you could only have 1 character and all the others will be deleted and you can never have any more alts, which one would you keep? That's your main as you have the most attachment to it. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 20:12:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote: It also provides a more "holistic" experience of Eve, for lack of a better word
This guy used the word "hollistic" correctly. He is a good poster.
Reticle wrote: You scout with your main because an alt might make people suspicious that someone might be hunting them? That makes no sense. You use the alt so that they have zero intel on what's coming for them. You show up and they know everything there is to know, including your favorite fits, friends, etc. Random dude you take note of and do the various things you do to stay alert, but a famous hot dropping corp scoout comes in and you get the hell out now. Why would anyone tip their hand if they didn't have to? What kind of tactical thinking is that?
I'm ratting, and random scrub comes into system, I dock up.
I'm ratting and uber elite PvP scout comes into system, I dock up.
Me and a gang are there and a random guy comes into the system. It's some random scrub. We try to kill him.
Me and a gang are there and a uber elite PvP scout comes into system, we try to kill him.
Why would you ever do anything different? If you think "hur hur lol he's an npc scrub, we can take him boys" you deserve to die. It's a sodding obvious tactic to use a "neutral" alt to scout, so why would you ever assume it's not some guy who's going hot drop the crap out of you? "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

Inquisitor Kitchner
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Posted - 2012.11.01 20:18:00 -
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MinefieldS wrote:Because of the ISDs.
They always get their man. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.05 02:59:00 -
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General Nusense wrote:because it pisses off goonwaffe pubbies, cfc and hbc.
Hate to be pedantic but most of Goonwaffe aren't pubbies by definition.
If there was an option to post anonymously on the forums by click a button, so it literally comes up as "anonymous", how many people would be tempted to use it? "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

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Posted - 2012.11.05 19:47:00 -
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Qin Tawate wrote:
It is very simple. Votes in democracy are annoynous, too. Why?
Because it should be a personal decision, not forced by a bigger group or clan, what you vote for. If somebody gives you a choice, then it should be an honest choice. In many dictatorships votes are public and the dictator gets 99%. Then he is reelect with 99% - glorious result.
In a forum I like annonymity, because you can take it personal or not. You can stay on topic or you can try to fill these neutral Character with the picture of your enemy in your head. If somebody tries to be personal, argue ad hominem, it is often very funny, if it is against a neutral char. For example you do not agree with a Goon. The average Goon troll thinks then you do not like all Goons and therefore are from AAA or NCdot or something like that. They quickly jump to wrong conclusions, which make them look ridiculous.
Ummmm voting is anonymous, as you quite rightly said, to stop people from coercing you to vote.
However how many TV presenters, news readers or otherwise other people in the mainstream media that voice their opinions do so anonymously? None, because an opinion without context is worthless. Even if you use a handle on the internet and I have no idea who you really are your persistent identity allows me to decide whether or not I think you know what you're on about.
Comparing posting on a forum, especially one about a video game, to the right to vote anonymously is stretching it a bit.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
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